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If only life in the UK would be a magical world. The UK has more international communities than any other country in the world. (In fact in broke my marriage that my ex husband could not understand how good our life was in Australia, hence I'm here). Why were you searching for topics related to moving away from the UK? For me, the 'First World' is now Singapore, Australia (yes I rate the UK as 'Second world' in comparison to these countries). I think the only city I like during my entire UK trip is Edinburgh, the architecture there is just so stunning and it is completely different culture from England. Our education system definitely needs an upgrade so British people stop being so ignorant about our history. What has made this country an awful place to live is intolerant arseholes like you who are too uneducated to embrace what different nationalities and viewpoints have to offer. Get your free Top 10 Luxury Hotels in the World ebook. I might be back to UK to visit Stratford but not sure when, and I hope the situation will get much better during my return trip. In Germany I have never felt discriminated against as a foreigner. Now living in Egypt is not without its problems but look at these prices: Cinema: 2, Restaurant: 5, Cultural Events: many are free, Internal travel: very cheap along with accommodation, gas and electricity being much cheaper than the UK or the EU and dont forget the Red Sea for a holiday. After the Brexit vote, people started attacking immigrants, and even immigrant looking Brits. My living abroad was more a lesson for personal growth than it was for achieving happiness. So, since citizens of the world, are citizens of nowhere my advice is: 1) Keep your UK investments and properties and join the rentiers class What an interesting perspective and thanks for sharing! So far, since we left the UK, we have lived in Japan, Portugal, Spain, Hungary and Germany. It is the immigrants who maintain Britain afloat, and it is because of the immigrants that we have good doctors, dedicated teachers and hard-working baristas in the local cafes. 1) There are many non-ethnic/non-Han Chinese people in high up positions in the CPC (not CCP) I am seriously looking to emigrate, do a tour of Scotland first and then see what the rest of the world has to offer. The typical food in England is something that is also consumed in Chile, and is one of the things that I liked more of the country, both its sweet and salty food has very good flavor and is something that could eat every day without problem. I was robbed in broad daylight too on another occasion. I'm out of here in a few months, heading back home to the sun, soca music, and lovely people, but I'm truly sad for those who have to stay here for whatever reason, being told daily they have faces that don't "fit", and living in fear, and festering in anger over daily dealings with racists. You wont find any other country that can joke about itself like the Brits. x. This is a great comment which brings a lot more perspective. Countries like Japan are very friendly to tourists, but they would never let foreigners rise to a high level in politics or business. I have a diploma in counter terrorism policy. It wasn't all bells and whistles because it took me jumping through a lot of hoops to be able to obtain what back then was called a Yellow Card. You feel that just because you have "spotted dick" you have better cuisine than Eastern Europeans? I'm excited for something new and a place that's easier to travel solo in. Hi!! Wherever we go we will have to endure some sort of hardship , for example look at the foreigners leaving China - its all very well moving there when things seemed good. I am getting to the point that I will miss Uk if I move back, will hard to get back to square 1 as life in Romania is still hard . :) I did like Lisbon, but I, for example, found it too noisy for my liking. But, my ex-husband recounts exactly all of this (or at least the economic bits - he's on board with the xenophobia) so I believe it. Thanks again! At the time I just thought he was thinking ahh we don't really have capacity thats annoying because this person looks good. The UK didn't. I heard the US is a wonderful country and despite its issues, if it makes you feel like home, then it is home. But this was short-lived because I arrived in the UK during a dark time for Romanians and Bulgarians who just joined the EU. Hi Laura, We would absolutely love to visit St Helena Island one day. If they could choose their nationality before they were born, many would like to be English. Is thr UK a good place to live? London is the 6th Most Michelin Starred city in the world, higher than Hong Kong or Barcelona. Found your blog googling "the UK sucks" :') I mean I left Romania because I didn't like it and wanted a better life for myself. I also hope your partner will learn to agree with you and understand you, if nothing else. The people there are immensely proud of their long history and are well aware of what is going on in Europe. Germany had low morale and wanted a change in 1940's which allowed Hitler to come to power who blamed, you guessed it, Jews for all of Deutschland's problems. Best of luck to you. For a while, it didn't bother me, until one day, I got rejected after a two-week job trial. There are idiots on both sides, but probably many more thoughtful and intelligent people on both sides as well. It's hard, but also very exiting if you keep an open mind. But I can assure you, we love our life in the North and we are seriously considering going further up, to Scotland. The responses are more illuminating, reminding me, a Brit, of how and why I want out.good luck with what comes your way Meanwhile, Brexit 2 years on from your article and as you know, is just soul destroying for so many reasons. Say anything uncomfortable, let's scream 'racist.' I'm privileged and lucky to have lived and have connections with 4 developed and attractive countries. On describing those who use the word, the society stated that "we all know their old serviette/napkin, lounge/living room, settee/sofa tricks. We're fed up with the extortionate rents for crappy flats, awful food (although the British think they have the best cuisine in the world now, but then, they think they're the best at everything), Brexit animosity towards foreigners, holier than thou, superior attitude, poor social rights for citizens (British retirees get the worst pension in Europe), expensive schools, expensive everything, really stupid TV, bad weather and the list goes on. I'm British born and I'm leaving the UK because of Brexit. The funny thing is we have recently moved to London (it's been 6 months) and we don't seem to be happy at all. I say we keep the Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty and reintroduce forests and wild animals. Suddenly this opened up my world to the whole other side of the UK that I had been ignoring for my whole life. My wife and I can't wait to leave London next year. Defined as "a young person characterised by brash and loutish behaviour, usually with connotations of a low social status", 'chavs' have seemingly made their return to popular culture, this time on TikTok. Well, let's look closer. My god the atmosphere was one of the strangest I had ever felt after that. I live in the UK right now (Scotland), but I'm not a citizen. Try to own more than one property in many countries and you will really feel the heat from the taxman. Do you see? Her parents are aging much better than their UK siblings too, and are cheerier. Could it be because England is not a good place to live? Ever since I lived in mainland Europe (and you know, happy EU countries) we bought seasonal clothes and enjoyed 4 seasons. Wishing you all the luck in the world. Where else will you find so much freedom of choice. As an ex-Londoner now living in Sydney, I can definitely relate to a lot of this - particularly rental prices in London. However, as you said, with Brexit/Windrush/hostile environment etc. Im not alone. Perfect response. Take care! It is people like you, with no allegiance or true connection with the UK, in other words pure economic migrants, nothing more, that are bring this country to its knees and have made it an awful place to live. Good luck to you! The people are very filthy, rarely bathe nor brush their teeth. Perhaps, instead of crying into your beer over a past that only ever existed between the pages of the Daily Mail, you might instead seek to learn a little something about current technology. This means that if you have a car, you can get pretty much anywhere around the UK. Did I? Plus, all the great writers and scientists coming from here made me think the educational system would be wonderful. I'm still searching for the answer but got lost somewhere along the way. I can understand that it must be a bit difficult to reason with your boyfriend's parents. You could say that it was a change of the country or it was us that have understood more of the society where we live. As others have pointed out, you are very much enjoying North Yorks, of the more wealthy and most socially and politically Conservative parts of the North and Britain. Brits live in the illusion that its great here but in reality its a shithole. You have NO IDEA that you have written exactly what I feel. I'm an immigrant to the UK - welll technically not right now as I'm yet in the midst of another visa application - mostly due to Brexit delays. If this article baffles you then install some baffle plates mate! Good luck, Cory. My partner is though. I visited once when I was twenty and finally made the move after marrying my EU husband in my late twenties. [1] ". Thank you for writing a well-structured article. Though it's not where my heart is. It is used in envy by the lily livered, privileged, pale, besuited bank clerk who sees people dressed up to the nines and going to the West End." It's no. Those who are racist can be found anywhere, even in your own country. Did you like this article? You chose to live in the North, where it is colder and wetter. In addition, I think there are other significant and perhaps more substantial factors that are playing into this hostility, namely, the rise of religious fanaticism, fundamentalism and its debate in Britain. Brexit was a big factor, as was the general expense and weather. I had to work lots of overtime to buy food and pay for my transport to work, I was working 65+ hours a week just to survive. It was a difficult decision for us to move back from the UK , and I would be lying if I said we do not have second thoughts about moving back again! I changed my first name in order to integrate and find work. We weren't happy in our home country either. It feels to me that you voted Brexit because you don't want more British nationals to come to Europe and not because you had the UK's interest at heart. "Hey, yo," opens one frequently used sound clip on TikTok, "chav check.". P.S Stacy/Stacey could be both spellings. [10] In the 2010 book Stab Proof Scarecrows by Lance Manley, it was surmised that "chav" was an abbreviation for "council housed and violent". This is one of the oldest political strategies. The termites have eaten the soul of a beautiful country. As much as you might like the rain (and I already said that I vehemently love the rain), it eventually gets to you. I need a bit more peace and quiet. While supermarket prices are very low, rent, utilities, council tax and eating out is astronomical compared to other countries. I'm a foreigner myself, living in the UK and have not encountered ANY racism at all yet. You made us see clearer and feel empowered on our next move. Loved my time in London (finished my law studies in Univ too), but i guess i have to depart and start looking to bigger gateway. But there's no garden without weeds, right? The economy is still favourite for young entrepreneurs, hungry consumerists and investors. You're so much better than those who dared to vote Leave or god forbid for Trump, aren't you? The Brown Bunny star clearly didn . Rest assured, we are doing wonderful. The above are the results of my experience and my experience alone. We should celebrate that and so should other countries. It is nice to hear some positive stories. We're thinking of moving away as soon as I've finished my studies for many of the same reasons as the ones you mentioned. We have a better technological infrastructure than most of Europe as well. This isn't really a new thing. The food is good in places if you know where to eat. We actually left two days before the Brexit vote. First, the British are NOT RACIST. This has turned into a really long political rant now - sorry haha. I'm from the UK and my wife is Romanian, we travel internationally a fair amount both for work and pleasure and so I'd like to think I have a fairly broad perspective. But at least I can say that I chose the ticket that the racist people didn't choose! This worked up to a point! In the last 30 years, We have seen our own lives turned upside down, our cities transformed into places where we are sometimes the minority, where few people speak English. In the 90's we managed to claw that back from the fascists and say as a society this is not who we are. British people love Italy. Dude, seriously, you're really shooting yourself in the foot here. yum!). They're not uneducated, racist or anything else that the left or the pro EU lot think which is very closed mided (In my view) if they've come to that conclusion. [2][7] The word "chavvy" has existed since at least the 19th century; lexicographer Eric Partridge mentions it in his 1950 dictionary of slang and unconventional English, giving its date of origin as c. Some of these guys were around in the 80's and were punks back then (the non racist kind). My hubby and I left the UK in 2013 for the same reasons. If you have good infrastructure, it costs money to build and maintain it. These people come here and claim free medical care. They still believe in the purity of Japanese blood and parents discourage mixed marriage. :). I can bet on that! Same problem in Belgium! We are the first of the G7 countries to require zero CO2 emission by law. In fact, I am in the market for a new European car (which allows me to drive on the right-hand side) and the equivalent of the car I am selling here, is 5 times the price in any other European country. Someone is always in a hurry. It is quite a harrowing existence at times where I sit and contemplate how screwed I am living in this country. I think I have officially reached the point of depression due to the rain and I am absolutely desperate to leave. I got approached by a Greek man who had a PHD and wanted to try and find ways to use it in a commercial context and he wanted to work for us for free to get some experience. Why? My peers were cool, the work environment was multicultural, everyone was smart, funny, different and awesome. Cory, thanks for your article. Except the rain; everyone hates the rain haha. I'm telling him constantly how much I'd rather live somewhere else in Europe (somewhere cheaper, because yahh, it's way too expensive here) and somewhere where we could simply have a better quality of life. I wish you and your husband the best of luck on your travels and next adventure in life!!! I was stunned by Brexit and very sad as well, it foreshadowed the US elections. Britain is awful for people born British too x. Whilst I agree with 90% of this article I dont believe that the.majority of people in Britain are racist. I am glad to hear you settled in Germany. Politicians havent listened to the people on this issue and Brexit was a cry for help. People now are insular and small minded, dogmatic and unfriendly. The problem is that it's a numbers game. I worked in a high level cyber security position after leaving military so I KNOW. I only just came across your article. I believe moving back to Romania will be beneficial but also is not a easy decision to face . Immigrants are the people who are willing to give up their rights, liberties and cultures, in order to work for the sake of your government, your country, your society and your benefits. Are we finally getting karma for all the horrific things weve done to other countries? You can live in a place like Bristol for example, where the cost of living is much more affordable, thus enabling you to have a decent life in the UK. Too much traffic, too much alcohol and too much rain. And dozens of other things if you bothered to look it up, which you aren't. I have even found happiness in giving up my life as the career city girl for a stay at home mom and have never been happier. Mass immigration or controlled immigration will not change the way a Briton chooses whether to invite a foreigner for a cup of tea or shepherd's pie. According to Expatistan here are some things you have to take into account: Monthly rent for 85 m2 (900 Sqft) furnished accommodation in EXPENSIVE area 2,391 I identify as immigrant as I'm British Naturalised and recently returned home from spending most of the last decade living overseas in Asia-Pac (Australia and Singapore). Immigrants are permanent migrants. I am a born and bret brit and I totally agree with you, it is a cold and depressing shit hole. [12] This is widely regarded as a backronym. Of course, Portugal is cheaper than the UK, but so are salaries. I want Britain to get better, because it is my home and I am and love being British. I've been trying to move to the UK for years but as an "immigrant" from the US, the Tier2 visa rules have prevented me from doing so. I guess the point of my comment is that I just wanted to tell you that you should have NEVER been treated the way you were here and I know that there is a massive percentage of brits that would agree. Dear Renee, you can't please everyone. Thanks for this article, but I'd like to add my experience to counterbalance a bit. -Privacy rights- Non existent in reality. Then in work I'm working with a bunch of northern white guys who all wanted that to happen. No one worked there who wasn't English. At first I got a bit touchy and defensive around some of the elements but then stopping to think about it, I've actually seen many of my own observations in what you have written. To be honest honest there is no credibility in your post, as all youve done is made a great realised, narrow minded view of a nation of 60 million people! I would imagine that I am like Hermione and have studied and can do it all! I think after a decade of living in the UK, certain things started changing a bit too much and got to us. And frightening. We just made positive gains as a society in how we viewed foreigners role within our society and gradually people became less extreme. Imagine not having power for your computer. I want to thank you very much for taking the time to explain your point of view. Chavette" is a related term referring to female chavs, and the adjectives "chavvy", "chavvish . Yes, it does rain here a lot, but given water shortages will be one of the biggest threats to world peace, I would take a bit more rain over a dry country any day of the week. Your post told me that there were people out there that felt the same. I cant have a conversation with anyone, I dont feel like they get me. The level of racism in Continental European football matches for example is shocking. So just try a little bit harder. I now live full-time in Germany and just enjoy the lifestyle better. I love how you touched on just how expensive it is to travel in the UK too, especially by train (not that they ever run on schedule anyways!). I was perfectly happy in my bubble, only stepping out for things like college, uni and work. It has been the sheer scale of.people that have come and changed the original culture and landscape of the working world in the uk. Your candour proves me wrong about you racist, poor, thick bits. I tried to live in London, it lasted a few months. You find people studying geography, english literature, philosophy and human sciences way more than any other country! I agree with every sentiment you expressed and I wish you all the best outside of Britain. I disagree when you say that most people in the U.K. are racists. A mark of this growing idiocy is the fact that a circus clown like Jacob Rees-Mogg can play a part in politics. Really interesting read and I wish you both the best of luck in your new nomadic adventure! English culture is a thing, it has been for centuries, changing with time, adapting to new ways of life. I'd rather stay here in Lisbon. It wasn't until the last year of University that I landed my first full-time job with Apple. I could see where things were headed and at the time I was a social worker. No government has a magic money tree that can deal with a 'climate emergency' (in a country with very mild weather patterns), literal cradle to grave housing and social care, free healthcare to everyone and anyone who shows up etc, human rights for cats etc Britain's problems are of it's own making. You see, I actually love the pace in London. There are too many issues which make the UK a depressing place to be. After Brexit, I really didn't want to be here any more. As a Labour supporter with some Lib Dem views, I cannot reason with the Brexit idea no matter what. What we're seeing now is a massive difference in the scale and effectiveness of these campaigns thanks to the pervasive nature of internet data mining and the use of techniques in machine learning to spot trends and correlations, coupled with lessons from the field of behaviourism, to weaponise the information. Something that I should add - if you visit Yorkshire namely Leeds, Bradford, Halifax, Huddersfield, Wakefield, Sheffield, Barnsley, Doncaster, Rotherham, Goole, Hull and Scarborough. Hi Iain, Sorry Brandon but I think you are missing the point because Cory is talking about how immigrants are treated . I understand totally. You are laughable, John! Reread if you didn't get it the first time. Generations to come will read history books and laugh at how what was once "the Greatest Empire" has become a rainy, lonely island, with no power and no influence. I i moved to U.K. from Italy in 2016 to 2017 and life there was too expensive and bad weather. Try to set up the equivalent of a Ltd. company in Spain, Portugal, Italy, France and you are getting into a storm of bureucracy and taxes. However I found people to be so friendly. I am super excited to learn that you liked Romania. I hope to God, James, that you get the taste of your own medicine. Their main issue are Eastern Europeans and Balkan people, as well as non-white migrants and Muslim people. But that does not justify mass immigration, and I say mass immigration because I am in favour of short immigration of few people and more controlled. This means that buying a great second car in the UK will cost you much (LIKE MUCH!) I am an Indian national who came here 3 years ago (came on Tier-1 visa) and supported a media company with investments and expanded to clients across in USA & EU. Things have changed so much here. Even if it is just a coincidence, I definitely get you when you say you feel as though you're treated differently. Sorry for the belated reply. One thing I am sure of though from all the faults of living in italy we are so much happier as a family. I cannot tell you if Romania is better, or the UK, or any other country for that matter. Name something, chances are its better in any different European country. Anyone who moans about food options in the modern UK must be very, very insular and live in a little bubble or is a spoiled idiot with myopia. Really it is a daily sadness that I experience when I wake up and I think I don't recognise my country any more. Answer (1 of 23): An answer to this obviously hugely depends on where (and whether, given we're asking the rest of the UK in this question too) you live/visit in England, and also has to take on the idea of whether or not 'everyone else' finds England depressing. In comparison to it's New World ex-colonies, the UK's living standards is worse and declining. But obviously you're biased because you're an immigrant so you're never gonna understand me. Think why that is. I know the English think they are similar to Australians but how many people (pom ping-pongs, they're called) come back from Australia because they are UNWANTED? Following the results of the 2019 election Ive found myself looking at how to leave the UK. The negatives are playing out on the world stage. I will always be a foreigner to the world and a slave to the number of days/weeks/years I can stay according to visas. [11], It has also been suggested that the term is derived from the name of the town of Chatham, in Kent, but the Oxford English Dictionary thinks this is "probably a later rationalization". Thank you so much for writing this. [3] In Canada, in the province of British Columbia they're known as "Surrey jacks". Hi Melissa, I was bummed I didn't get to see as much of the UK as I had hoped! A controlled immigration Program. The UK just gets grubbier, crapper and more overcrowded. People are kind and welcoming. "Chav hang outs include an old fisherman's shed in the harbour and a derelict caravan in a field near the eastern end of the village. Owning a car doesn't come cheap in the UK, but luckily, the car market in the country is one of the cheapest in Europe. Something has happened here, and its not a good thing. We are excited to have started our adventure, and we don't regret leaving the UK. There are pros and cons to this. Bradford, Calderdale, Kirklees, Leeds, and Wakefield all contribute to this high level of crime, and violence and sexual offenses are prevalent crimes, with over 100,000 crimes reported each year. Im scared for the future of my children and have never been so ashamed to be british! This could be why many voted for Brexit. Can you imagine a black minister for equality in Bulgaria? I think your article raises some very good points, however, I would add the following. Will be beneficial to sell my home here and move back ?? I really hope I didn't put you off living in the UK. Politicians are liars (we've been promised more money for academia and the NHS). We would love to rent a car and drive for hours. I contributed to this country well more than an average Brit who still believes is superior to me despite his qualifications being 4 GCSEs . 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